Comments on: Law and Order in Civilisation http://leadigloo.com/2009/12/law-and-order-in-civilisation/ Stories, Philosophy, Opinion Tue, 24 Aug 2010 12:42:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: marc nash http://leadigloo.com/2009/12/law-and-order-in-civilisation/comment-page-1/#comment-250 marc nash Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:27:31 +0000 http://leadigloo.com/?p=505#comment-250 apologies for seeming dyslexia - am typing this in the dark (don't ask) apologies for seeming dyslexia – am typing this in the dark (don’t ask)

]]> By: marc nash http://leadigloo.com/2009/12/law-and-order-in-civilisation/comment-page-1/#comment-249 marc nash Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:25:58 +0000 http://leadigloo.com/?p=505#comment-249 I like the word outlaw, (not used much in Britain), since it conjures up notions of standing on the other side of the law. ie the ruling elite drew a line in the ground called THE LAW in order to protect their property from nasty old Hobbesian theft and appropriation, formed law-keepers such as police forces to patrol it and the rest is criminological history. Civilisation has always been this veneer of etiquette, mores, manners and protocols, to make people know their place in the social hierarchy. The advances that you mnetion I like to attribute to culture, that restless drive, rather than the dandified and necrotic Civilisation. Marxism is a dreary old ideology, long since discredited, both intellectually (scienctific materialism & Schumpeter on the economics) and in reality (those regimes now crumbled, erected in its name). But I did favour its tenet of all relationships owing their reciprocal status to the power underlying it. The problem is most cultural critics content themselves with criticising the hegemonic superstructure, the dumbing down, the celebrity culture, white goods envy etc which are only symptoms of a philosophical/spiritual (take your pick) emptiness. What is the nature of pleasure in the 21st Century and how we as societies and cultures go about pursuing it? It always makes me laugh when Britain and other 1st World countires, those who were the first to industrialise and pollute the planet 2/3 Centuries ago, no lecture China & Inida on not being able to do it their chosen way. We still had pollution fogs here in the UK until the clean air act in the 1960's, so put that in our pipes and smoke it. I like the word outlaw, (not used much in Britain), since it conjures up notions of standing on the other side of the law. ie the ruling elite drew a line in the ground called THE LAW in order to protect their property from nasty old Hobbesian theft and appropriation, formed law-keepers such as police forces to patrol it and the rest is criminological history.

Civilisation has always been this veneer of etiquette, mores, manners and protocols, to make people know their place in the social hierarchy. The advances that you mnetion I like to attribute to culture, that restless drive, rather than the dandified and necrotic Civilisation.

Marxism is a dreary old ideology, long since discredited, both intellectually (scienctific materialism & Schumpeter on the economics) and in reality (those regimes now crumbled, erected in its name). But I did favour its tenet of all relationships owing their reciprocal status to the power underlying it. The problem is most cultural critics content themselves with criticising the hegemonic superstructure, the dumbing down, the celebrity culture, white goods envy etc which are only symptoms of a philosophical/spiritual (take your pick) emptiness.

What is the nature of pleasure in the 21st Century and how we as societies and cultures go about pursuing it?

It always makes me laugh when Britain and other 1st World countires, those who were the first to industrialise and pollute the planet 2/3 Centuries ago, no lecture China & Inida on not being able to do it their chosen way. We still had pollution fogs here in the UK until the clean air act in the 1960′s, so put that in our pipes and smoke it.

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